When you're exploring in null you're jumping into hostile system after hostile system, any of which could have a bubble camp. The cov ops cloak is essential for encouraging people to venture out into the depths of space without wondering if they are going to survive the trip or how the hell they are going to get their phat loot all the way home.

There is very little difference. When a covops cloaker decloaks he has to wait 6 seconds (noone trains Cloaking V) before he can lock you. Your imp cloaker is visible in warp, but he can lock immediately after landing on grid. You don't get much more warning against the latter, even if you spam dscan.

......which also does nothing, as the recalibration timer will expire while they're warping.

What's really disappointing is that the community is stuck in some old mindset that "anything different = overpowered" or that anything expensive is suddenly overpowered.

This is NOT overpowered. If anything, the frigate needs a buff in damage.

Pirate ships ARE supposed to be a bit better than T2 ships. Analogues will come, give it time.

Just because a ship class is new does not make it overpowered. Plenty of things can defeat these easily.

......which also does nothing, as the recalibration timer will expire while they're warping.

Tell taht to the vigilant. It has very pwoerful bonus not find elsewhere and overdamage anything on realistic scenarios (no damage cahrts based on Ogre II are not realistic because you will deal fulld amage to battleships only and some fat BC, but you will be MURDERED if you try to fight an Assault frigate

1) Faction ships never have T2 ship skills prereqs unless they are an AT prize ship, which these are not and

2) Post with your main if you wish to be taken seriously! *Rabble rabble*

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How does that correlate to covert cloaking full tackle and tank with eWar and near T2 damage? Where is the "Hippy" in the proposed ships .. you want to hang all the lore on the probing?

Frigate is good, not too much but not too little either. Will make CovOps largely obsolete but that's a different story and can be sorted when they get tiericided.

Cruiser is practically a covert cloaky Ishtar with godlike slots .. it is so juiced up that L.Armstrong would be proud.
- Laser cap bonus. What the hell is that doing there in the first place, unbonused lasers are craptastic to say the least and with drones the cap-less PvE is amply covered.
- Drone HP bonus, +25 or 50m3. It needs to be hippie themed, sure they have teeth but the damn things are brittle as only hemp chewing tea drinkers teeth can be. Still allows PvP but without stomping on every damn HAC foot within 200 parsecs, what you should be aiming for is a VW Kombi/Minibus and not a HumVee.
+ RR efficiency bonus with hull repairer included. HIPPIES! Love all around, in PvE to cuddle the flimsy drones in between orgies and in PvP to kiss the weary warriors and make it all better .. replace the laser cap bonus with this and all is well.

If you think for a little while about the prospects of "cloaked logi" and you don't realize that there is almost nothing that could be worse for the game, then you are outright nuts.

Think about how much fun it would be to awox with a cloaked neutral logi with heavy armor resists.

Just judging from the announcement, they've pretty much drawn their line as to the role of the ship. Especially as it is thoroughly in keeping with what they were trying to push in Odyssey and what they are pushing in Rubicon.

It's pretty much a solo player oriented ship. Logi is by definition a group style gameplay ship.

Regarding overlap if the asteros could only have a core probe launcher and not combat launcher if using a cloak then that would go a long way to creating a significant difference. And with only 2 highs cyno becomes harder without making choices.

And with only 2 highs cyno becomes harder without making choices.